The KERDI-DRAIN provides a simple and secure In 12 minutes it will be Valentine's Day.FWIW. you can't blame the product. JB, We are installing a 72" x 72" shower kit on a bathroom job. Assemblies achieved using the Schluter®-Shower System reduce total installation time and eliminate the risk of failures due to water and vapor penetration, thus preventing efflorescence and mold growth. See photos 1 and 2 there? It was covered in mold when we did the demo. That is, anyone with a modicum of skill and technique should be able to install it. You would think the guy insulted the collective grandmother or something. The customer support is excellent and there is no shortage of information on the product out there. From drains to shower benches to waterproofing pipe seals, Schluter®-Systems offers everything you need to ensure a dependable and watertight installation. Guys mentioned ditra, is that the isolating menbrane you put down first to prevent cracking grout joints? The shower is now finished. and then goes on to state that's clearly not the case. No it DOESN't have to be unmodified thinset. Just ripped it out and did a Kerdi. Edited 2/13/2009 11:50 pm ET by JonBlakemore. "doesn't seem like a good idea to show pics of yer own work that's failed? Nothing like striking fear to get your point across! I can confidently say that I expect to be a life-long subscriber." BTW Kerdi is great stuff. I recon it matters as Shluter says to use thinset, but do you know why? The kerdi places in my area sell the kits but also sell the kerdi by foot and they have all the packages of kerdi band, corners, etc.One other thing I don't know if anyone mentioned is you can use the kits and go bigger by doing a mudbed for the additional area. We've done three showers so far and have one more next month and each time the client has opted to spend the bucks with Kerdi. There are some really nice features of the Kerdi system, like the really bitchin' drain that goes with it, the preformed corners you can buy, and the fact that there is nothing behind the tile to soak up moisture (except the thinset, or course). I haven't messed with tile pans since Kerdi came out so have never used one, although I did use the material for other purposes. I have used Kerdi and think it a great product. Sorry to hijack the thread guys. 1 1/2 years old. Just address it as my old (#### ho;e) boss did..............dat orange stuff. is the Mother of one of Ian's friends. Kerdi showers are 100% waterproof when properly installed. If the stuff is that good, I would love to re-use it in this application because the shower configuration is such that the walls and wall caps will get constant water flow. No hope. How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? The Mastic absorbs moisture, and will mold and rot. Some of the original floors are not that solid and when i tile i want it right. This shower is failing.. It’s not all bad housekeeping that makes your shower ugly, it comes from the bad construction behind the tile. Use the stuff it is great. It was 1998… in October when my wife Judy and I set up housekeeping in Englewood, Florida.  We were coming from a short stay in Missouri and before that Colorado.  I had told the store owners I Read More ... Often, the questions we get most frequently after we install a beautiful new floor are about tile care–Everyone wants to keep their tile looking as great as it does when it is newly finished. I just ripped out my sister in laws shower. I've heard they are one of the most powerful! Start your subscription today and save up to 52%. It's a really simple system and the instructions are very clear, they even have a free dvd. Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA. >>Call me cheap, but I believe that I can put a torch down rubber membrane up the entire wall for less than 100$ and not end up with leaks either. I've delayed this one for that reason. Bad product? It’s not all pretty but needs to told! If done right, is it really the cat’s meow? Here's an old Kerdi picture thread I did a couple of years ago. The KERDI-DRAIN provides a simple and secure So, the water wicks up the drywall behind the tile, cement board also allows moisture to wick, it doesn’t get damaged but allows the wood behind it to be damaged. I wonder if all you kerdi fans know that you only get a one year warranty LOL? Shower Failure occurs in 75% of Tiled Showers.. Mann Tile – Celebrating 5 Years in Englewood! The one learning curve for me was knowing how much kerdi I could get on there while the thinset was still wet enough. oh yeh...it's Kerdi's fault cause of his Shower Administrator...so there! After all waterproofing is completed, I tested the system by flooding the shower pan (called a flood test) to confirm it does not leak. I use Versabond which isn't "heavily" modified. The installation failed. Wow, I know where I'm getting my Kerdi from now on. I did make mistakes, real easy to build up corners too much, especially in my niches. From drains pipes to wet-area benches to waterproofing pipeline seals, Trugard … (It’s 4’x5′). What they claim is that their system is waterproof. We perform shower redo’s and tub-to-shower conversions as well as new installations of showers.. Schluter Systems allows us to provide you with a 10 Year Material and Labor Warranty. Superb Read More ... Our Story of Mann Tile in Englewood… The story of how we opened Mann Tile in Englewood, FL. As far as the Schluter Kerdi Shower System goes, they have good videos and instructions for their system. I am putting in Travertine floor to ceiling with a rain shower head. However, in this picture and the next there are a few errors in this construction, can you spot them? The thing I see repeated over and over is the failure of Kerdi to adhere to "hardi". It appears to be the one wall opposite the diverter where all the water hits and I can only guess he was running out of material and did not want to buy more so patched it in poorly with scraps. In Englewood… When your shower pan leaks in your condo unit… Rust from water wicking up the drywall, sad. LGardenStructure.com~Build for the Art of it! Come to think of it I can't remember a single time we screwed up. I put in a Kerdi shower about 4 years ago in my own house. After calling the contractor back he identified a slight hump in the pan tile (1/2″ penny round)between the curb and the drain. And the good news is that tile care is simpler than you might think! Just a FYI....I just finished using Kerdi again a few weeks ago and realized how hard it is to find the right size trowel for it so when y'all go to buy the Kerdi they also sell the proper sized notch trowel. Unfortunately, I don't have that choice.... Gotta go eat supper; I got delayed reading Diesel's thread about his tools getting stolen. Schluter®-Shower System The Schluter®-Shower System is an integrated family of products that creates a “sealed” system. I'm not a contractor, but I did my own 4x4 shower along with entire bath renovation last year. After logging in you can close it and return to this page. Wonder if you and I could weasle our way into one of those things. "A stripe is just as real as a dadgummed flower.". I was confident of the chlorolay when I installed it and would use it again for some things without hesitation.. No problems. Cracking and debonding of tile and stone coverings are two of the most obvious problems encountered with wetroom installations and floor-level showers. They do make a 5'x5' pan (actually it's 6'x6'). I am pretty sure the guy messed up the install but want some good feedback from people so that I can be a little smarter about it. On second story and used every day since. If you haven't worked with Kerdi, BUY and read the book.. He says that because it is Schluter the only way to fix it is to rip out the entire pan. It's one of those things that makes ya' wonder.... can this be right? This was in Englewood. It looks like the correct fastener was used, but not the correct spacing. I saw some rolls in the big box today and of course, it didn't have a price tag. Installation error can kill the best of materials. The Kerdi system did not fail. (insanity obviously but that is the only thing I can figure). I don't like a lot of seams if I can avoid it. I knew about the kerdi but it seemed to good to be true so I stayed away. What do you think? We have puddling in one corner of the shower. having holes in kerdi would be like holes in shingles and saying elk shingles failed. I usually use a product by GP for my tile work, but up here it is hard to find. Pre-sloped KERDI Shower Tray or Mortar Bed. I get the fact that the Kerdi was installed wrong.However, 3 of the first 4 responses practically demanded that the mods change the title of the thread. Its pretty clear that the guy put the stuff in all wrong but now I gotta completely rebuild it and the shower heads constantly beat on the shower walls and caps. Schillings carries what you need to complete your bathroom and shower remodel/installation. I used to fish off montaque for shark, loved every seasick day of it. They won't give you the warrantee but big deal...warrantee is only one year anyway and I know the Versabond is fine to use. Another thing is to get the sales rep for your area, call the schulter number and they'll give you the person who covers your area. Help   I want to make sure that when I rebuild it, it is permanent. Some of you may find it difficult to get in your local stores like I do and I live on Long Island and there's no shortage of stores here...just a heads up, *1/4" x 3/16" (6 mm x 4 mm) V-notched trowel*. While sitting at the table watching my daughter open her presents I got an email from Ebay. No problems at all; not even a hint of trouble. But with the cräp that just fell outta the sky (and the additional crâp that's coming tonite and tomorrow), I wouldn't recommend doing anything but hide under the bed until Mother Nature calms down and some more snow falls. Seriously east to install but a bit on the expensive side. There's a cpl of guys on Ebay that sell Kerdi at a pretty good price! It seems to me, with just basic care with the installation, the Schulter system is pretty much bullet-proof. Or use Kerdi on the walls of a tub surround. (not overlapped)  There were spots were I could not find any Kerdi at all (one spot 2″ square  and another 6″x8″). I had never heard of it before. I am ok with strong reaction to the title. And, oh never mind, but we NEVER photograph our own screwups!!! We did a hud project and the door guys forgot to cut the doors for the carpets. We did all the baths and kitchen, and slate floor with Schluter products, strictly according to directions, and so far (3 yrs)it is great. "Nah, it's the other nucklehead's work we show. "The ditra would be much easier than installing Vinyl panning all over the walls, etc. :-)Constructing in metric... On many of the chloraloy installation failures we have found that the curbs were not done correctly. This Limited Warranty further Time for another bailout! Wow, I think the four of us need girlfriends or something... Yeah, my wife is snoring next to me. I priced it on tileprotection.com and their cost delivered is $572.99! Hasn't leaked and I see no reason for it to leak....EVER. First, the Schluter®-KERDI-DRAIN is installed in conjunction with either a sloped mortar bed or the Schluter®-KERDI-SHOWER-T/-TS/-TT prefabricated foam trays. I'm using Laticrete 317 unmodified floor and wall thinset mortar. "Maybe it is just me but to work with the Kerdi system here for a 5x5 shower without the pan (they don't make one that big apparently), it is about 600$.". We also find nails thru the vinyl on top of the curbs. Edited 2/15/2009 7:20 am ET by captainbil. The last part of the Schulter shower system is the shower tray. I have used thing many times but will not let anyone else use, learned my lesson before with loaning out expensive tools. The only concern I have is for readers, DIY and trade, that do not remember Versabond and just grab any old thinset and then wonder why it will not set. Schlüter-Systems offers an assortment of over 10,000 proven system solutions for the installation of tiles and natural stone. Which is really a sad commentary on the slob who put it in. And some of those projects were installations over pretty marginal substrates; I get a lot of those up here in old summer cottages people have 'winterised' to use all year round. The Schluter shower system offers a lot of value to the home. Now the plumber and inspector are happy. Festool, neat but pricy. Yay! You can use 1/4" Hardie for about 1/2 the cost and it takes a little more work but not all that much. I have no clue how to request post to be changed but thanks for the feedback. Schluter Kerdi Shower System vs Traditional Method. Thats the info I want to know but never used it so want to get some feedback from people. Then you can go Ditra. The shower is such that a mud pan will be easier than trying to fit their pregaged stuf fin place and I am quite comfortable gaging the shower. 30 years ago we did lead pans, 20 years ago we move to vynle pans, 3 years ago we moved to Kerdi. The login page will open in a new tab. Maybe just the "Fest".It's a Kerdi-Fest! Some more of the symptoms include, discoloration around the bottom of the shower. There is a lot more to ditra than those two items but if either one is incorrect I can nearly guarantee a failure. I was trying to find overlaps after mashing out tile and peeling tile from the Kerdi backing and wanting to understand why it failed. We give them option one, the old chloraloy vinyl liner, NOT guaranteed, or Kerdi with a five year guarantee for $1,500.00 bucks more. I'm cheap and made myself. Note: The Schluter drain Kit includes 4 inside and 2 outside corners, and 1 pipe seal with 3/4″ opening and a large mixing valve seal. Please ask the Mods to change the title to "Kerdi wrongly installed" or something like that. And you know me, I'm not usually a big fan of high-tech building materials. For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice.... Did I tell you that I went skiing with a number cruncher from Schlüter on Sunday? While putting the tiles up on the wall, the trowel slipped out of my hand and put a nice 4" slice through the floor membrane and the pan. Designed for tiled walls, these brushed stainless steel shelves can be installed either in tandem with the tile, or as a retrofit application—without the need for any screws or fasteners. uncoupling membranes, Schluter ®-Shower System, ... arising out of or otherwise connected to the failure of a Thin-Set System, regardless of any strict liability or active or passive negligence of Schluter Systems, and regardless of legal theory, whether in contract, tort, extra-contractual or other. I think next time I'll solve some of that by making the thinset a little wetter than normal. These shower failures are why we have embraced Schluter Systems for waterproofing your showers. Maybe, but then what are you going to do, screw a layer of Hardibacker over the rubber? I prefer a TARP to waterproof the shower. Mike Holmes celebrates in Canada with a cartilage piercing and new bib overalls. Easier to just say no and take the warrantee for the vast majority. The most common method is to install a shower pan liner at the framing stage. Is one day about right? Here is a pic of the drinks in the breakroom. There are way better ways to do this. I am green behind the ears, Dinosaur just told me about Ditra on another thread. It's a fine product. Because Kerdi is designed for the do-it-yourself type. I clicked on the thread because I thought the kerdi failed, and I thought the title was terribly misleading (even before reading the other comments). Anyways, what do you have to do to seal the patch. Within the first month there was compression around the drain, tiles coming up. I used to think it was because of a leaky shower door, it’s not! I want to be renovating bathrooms from the 60's  with yellow tile that desparately need it, not 2 year old baths that look great and leak like sieves. The KERDI-DRAIN provides a simple and secure connection to If money isn't that much of an object go Ditra. Shower System Shower & Tub Kits The choices can be endless when it comes to a tiled bathroom project, but finding all of the essential waterproofing elements to complete the project need not be overwhelming. Just out of curiosity, why the strong response to the thread title? The Kerdi drain is wonderful because of how it lets you fine tune the strainer location when you are setting the tile. The drainage solutions of Schlüter-Systems are a precise match for bonded waterproofing assemblies made with Schlüter®-KERDI and -DITRA 25. I agree that the Kerdi did not fail. How's Long Island these days. I gotta put something back there and want to know if the Kerdi system is the right product. Schluter-DITRA is bonded to the substrate using thin-set mortar. It always seems to be Hardi. His entire adminstration went into the toilet! So the actual flaw in the system is with the installers and inspectors and their lack of knowledge, not the system itself. If you do have a hole then you just put a patch over it that is at least 2" from the hole.You don't blame the PT lumber or decking material if a deck pulls off the house because some gorilla never lagged it to the house, same as this case. The idea is to have nothing that is moisture sensitive or that can feed mold between the shower and the rest of your house. Additionally, I have one contractor quote me that he'll use the Schluter system for the shower base and floor but not the shower wall? 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